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  • City of the Future is authored by Lakis Polycarpou

    I am a freelance writer who is interested in the intersection of urban planning, architecture, technology, food, economics, energy and environmental issues. For the last several years I have been researching and writing about the implications of global peak oil.

    My work on these topics has been published in Energy Bulletin, Next American City, The Believer Magazine and The Washington Post among other places.

    I am also the Vice President of a new small press and Permaculture design company, KP Press Books/KP Permaculture.

    I can be reached at neapolis@earthlink.net or at lakis@kppressbooks.com

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November 16, 2005

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Really great points. I found Lundberg to be absurd if not insane. This was my take:

http://www.freezerbox.com/archive/article.php?id=385

Thanks Aaron. I really liked your Freezerbox piece, and your website . . . I look forward to reading more of your thoughts on peak oil and cities.

Though Lundberg is certainly guily of sloppy and, dare I write, lazy thinking, a grain of truth hides behind his choice of terms.

Civilization comes from the Latin word for city. To be "civilized" is literally to make cities. In this sense, it actually makes sense to regard civilization as an activity as well as a description.

Based on what Lundberg recommends, I suspect he's trying to argue that our culture went astray when it started building cities - around 10,000 years ago, as it turns out.

It's possible to make a case that organized warfare (as opposed to territorial skirmishes) followed civilization, but I think the case is weak. Civilization did, however, establish fixed targets for invading forces and capital assets to defend.

This certainly established the long back-and-forth escalation in offensive and defensive techniques that has culminated in a globe-spanning military apparatus with the capacity to destroy nearly all life on earth.

I'd be interested in seeing how someone with a more rigorous approach to history and language could develop Lundberg's ideas.

I’m not an anthropologist, so it’s impossible for me to take a position on whether (for example) warfare began with cities or not. Certainly you are correct that Lundberg is not the first person to argue that civilization has, on balance, made life worse for humanity. Many anthropologists have said that when one compares tribal societies to pre-industrial civilizations, it seems that tribal people lived longer, worked less and were more egalitarian. On the other hand, the “noble savage” myth seems equally misplaced when one considers the damage that many tribal people did to their environments (perhaps modern society’s problem is more one of scale and efficiency than an intrinsically inferior moral state). My understanding is that the anthropological debate is not settled.

But how relevant is all of this to our current situation? How realistic is it to argue for a return to tribal life? And how desirable is it, when there is no consensus about what tribal life really entailed (or entails)? It seems to me that many people who argue for a return to “tribal life” really mean a return to “rural/agricultural life”. But if we believe the arguments of people like Jane Jacobs, in “civilized” societies, it is the health and diversity of cities which drives the quality of life for rural regions; when cities decline, rural areas suffer, not vice-versa.

I’m still working out all of these ideas for myself, but what I am coming to is the thesis that while human beings are tool-making animals by nature, not all technologies are equally beneficial or destructive; and the nature of civilization (“city-making” as you correctly say) is not fixed.

I could be wrong, but I can’t see any other way forward—however small tribes survived in the past, I am afraid that a wholesale abandonment (not just shrinkage) of our cities as a response to energy depletion would be a catastrophe for humanity.

While I can understand your critisism's of Lundburgs speech, since many of your arguments stem from the same paradigm of thinking he is trying to address, I beg you to look a little further into what he is saying. The contradictions lie in what he is not able to cram into a 30 minute speech, but with a closer look (read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn, for example) the new vocabulary he uses makes sense for a new way of thinking.

There are so many fallacies present in your dismisals, I cant even begin. I can only point you in the direction of a more thorough analysis: Ishmael, by Daniel Quinn. The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight. Its a mistake to dismiss his thoughts as crazy, simply because you can find contradictions within a limited context (that of the speech) when to address these issues would require a LOT more background info.

www.readishmael.com

Oh god! You seriously can capture a reader’s attention. I really learnt a thing or two. Thanks for being a mentor!

This certainly established the long back-and-forth escalation in offensive and defensive techniques that has culminated in a globe-spanning military apparatus with the capacity to destroy nearly all life on earth.

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